Oh, The Absurdity of It
The exploding controversy that Ken Silva has so wonderfully orchestrated is now in full swing. Lighthouse Trails Research Project (the same “ministry” that saw fit to attack Greg Laurie not too long ago) has now posted an article complete with conspiratorial implications and possible disastrous global consequences for Christians worldwide—simply because I asked Ken Silva’s ISP to remove a single article from his website that I found objectionable.
Lighthouse writes: “This week, Lighthouse Trails learned that a Saddleback apologist contacted IPOWER, the web hosting company for Apprising Ministries (a Purpose Driven critic), threatening IPOWER with legal action.” And their bold headline for the article is “Saddleback ‘Apologist’ Threatens Web Host Company with Legal Action—IPOWER to Shut Down Purpose Driven Critic.”
This would be somewhat amusing if it were not so utterly tragic. Here’s the truth.
First – I am not a “Saddleback apologist.” I am neither on staff, nor am I contracted with them in any way.
Second - This issue has NOTHING to do with Saddleback, Rick Warren, or wanting to “Shut Down Purpose Driven Critic.” Such an spin on the controversy certainly makes for good tabloid reading (about as accurate the “My Grandmother was a Bigfoot” story), but as far as truth goes, doesn’t even come near reality. This was an issue between myself, Ken Silva, and ken Silva’s ISP. Nothing more; nothing less.
Third – I did not “threaten IPOWER with legal action.” The email I sent was a basic template that covers all manner of complaints that can be sent to an ISP (e.g., illegal pornography, unlicensed photograph use, libel, anything that is covered in a TOS agreement). The bottom line message to IPOWER was to kindly review a single article on Ken Silva’s website that I found to be not only objectionable, but also a violation of their TOS agreement—according to my understanding of it. Their response and their course of action was up to their guidelines for how to handle such a basic complaint. The truth can be found in these two previous posts: Ken Silva: More Lies and A Tumultuous Tempest.
Ken Silva’s website is gone now, but not because of me. No. No. No. It has disappeared because of Ken Silva’s defiant attitude toward his ISP, which asked him to simply remove a single, isolated article.
The website would still be up if he simply had taken down that one article his ISP asked him to take down. But rather than do that, he has gotten his entire website kicked. Does that make sense to anyone? He has seemingly blown this WAY out of proportion and turned it into some kind of martyr melodrama. And his devotees are rushing to his side to make the story ever more tantalizing, frightening, and outrageous.
Of course, they also have found it a useful way to tie something sensational into Rick Warren, Saddleback Church, and Purpose Driven. But this is not surprising. Warren/Saddleback has become the dumping ground for all things evil, sinister, and demonic. But as I previously mentioned, the truth is that the current rift between myself and Ken Silva has nothing to do with Saddleback or Warren.
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Terms of Service Agreements Are Our Good
TOS complaints come and go across the web all day long. I’ve had them sent to me, and I’ve sent them out to others. They exist there for a reason. Go to ANY website: youtube, wordpress, IPOWER, whatever. It’s an agreement designed to protect everyone—you and me included. They are much like traffic laws, store return policies, and curfews.
Truth be told, because no one has been using them, the Online Discernment Ministries have been allowed to run rampant. This, I believe, is the reason why so many of these people are now TOTALLY freaking out. They are in a panic because this puts them on notice. They must be more careful about what they say, or else risk a complaint about one of their articles.
THIS IS AN ACCOUNTABILITY TOOL. So many speak about accountability, but no one wants to actually be accountable. As I have stated online in my most recent blogs and answers to readers’ comments, what I did is NO DIFFERENT than lodging a complaint with a grocery store manager, voicing a problem to a company supervisor about a fellow employee, or calling the cops about a neighbor playing their stereo loud in the wee hours of the morning.
A TOS agreement is “a good thing,” as Martha Stewart would say. But some people, like Ken Silva, Lighthouse trails Research, and others, seem to not want to worry about their words or their accuracy of accusations. They want to continue having the free pass they have so far had, which has allowed them to slander/defame anyone and everyone.
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The Fallout
According to Lighthouse Trails, the fallout from this audacious crime against humanity is almost beyond comprehension! Lighthouse declares:
“There is growing concern among many Christian believers that the time is soon coming, largely because of hate crime legislation, when websites and ministries that challenge and critique popular and non-biblical religious movements (e.g. Purpose Driven, the emerging church, the New Age movement) will be shut down. . . . Because the long-term implications of IPOWER’s actions could set a precedent with other hosting companies (a precedent that could ultimately affect many voices who stand for the truth and the Gospel), Lighthouse Trails considers this current action to be of a very serious nature.“
First, Lighthouse Trails seems to consider EVERYTHING “of a very serious nature,” so this is no different than how they respond to all kinds of issues.
Second, I have my own website and blog, so I fail to see the logic behind them thinking I would do something that could endanger my own work, ministry, and career. That makes no sense. These TOS agreements have been around for years, and always will be around. Nothing has changed. No “precedent” has been set by me or IPOWER.
Third, The REAL issue here is accountability and responsibility, both of which are aspects of Internet blogging/publishing that far too many people do not want to face, and therefore, have ignored under the guise of “defending the truth,” being a “watchman on the wall,” and exposing false doctrine.
Fourth, speaking of doctrine, it has been repeatedly alleged that this article about which I complained was nothing more than a critique of my doctrine. Therefore, it should not have been a problem. And because it was a critique against false teaching, then all other websites that critique false doctrines are endangered. As Lighthouse warns: “websites and ministries that challenge and critique popular and non-biblical religious movements (e.g. Purpose Driven, the emerging church, the New Age movement) will be shut down.”
Well, this is a very interesting point to raise when the Ken Silva article in question says NOTHING about my doctrine. It does not critique, in any way, my theology, soteriology, eschatology, or thanatology. As I have already stated in previous blog posts and in my responses to comments, I challenge ANYONE to find ANY criticisms/observations/corrections in that Ken Silva article that discusses my theology or doctrinal beliefs. Such material is not there. That article was personal in all its attacks. It was nothing more than an article deliberately designed to impugn my personal/professional integrity.
If Ken Silva wishes to place another article up titled “A PASTOR’S ASSESSMENT OF RICHARD ABANES,” which actually critiques my theology, then my all means, I welcome it.
This is what Walter Martin was all about—i.e., assessing a person’s theological and doctrinal beliefs. If Ken or anyone else would like to challenge me on my doctrinal views, then fine. I would be most happy to actually see that kind of critique so that I could test my own faith to see if it is approved of God. Apologetics has taken a nasty turn over the years, diverging from Walter Martin’s model, into the realm of personal attacks and trumped up charges against people. This is not how it should be.
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And Let Us Not Forget the Aparrent Hypocrisy
It is shocking to me that Lighthouse Trails (Dave and Deborah Dombrowski) would have the nerve to complain about anyone trying to silence anyone, when that is exactly what Lighthouse Trails attempted to do when my book Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him was about to be released! (for more info, see synopsis, excerpts, and reviews). This attempt by Lighthouse Trails came about after I had posted an alert to an Internet email message network (AR-Talk), which contained criticisms of their Press Release regarding business leader Ken Blanchard (for information on the Blanchard controversy see this article and this article).
In response, Deborah Dombrowski quickly sent a rather threatening email to Harvest House publishers, which was scheduled to release my book on Warren titled Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him (July, 2005). Dombrowski apparently did not like the fact that in my post to AR-Talk, I had noted the numerous errors in George Mair’s terrifically flawed biography of Warren (unauthorized) titled A Life with Purpose, which was a primary resource Dombrowski used in creating her Press Release.
In her email to Harvest House, Dombrowski first warned the publisher that I was publicly speaking negatively about Mair’s book, and then she implied that Harvest House might find themselves in legal trouble along with me should the publisher of Mair’s book (Penguin) seek to bring any kind of court action against me (exactly what Harvest House had to do with my personal posts on AR-Talk was never explained by Dombrowski).
Dombrowski also wanted Harvest House to know that she just happened to know that Penguin had somehow been notified of my comments on AR-Talk, but that she had not yet heard whether or not the New York secular publishing house was going to take any legal actions. The questions are obvious:
• How did Penguin (a secular publisher) here about what I had said on Christian message forum?
• Who notified Penguin and how did Dombrowski know about it?
• Why would a “Christian” notify a secular publishing house with the apparent intention of causing trouble for a fellow believer who was simply exercising his God-given, constitutionally-guaranteed, American right to freedom of speech?
• Why would Dombrowski notify Harvest House of the comments I was making about a book that had nothing to do with Harvest House, or with my contract for an entirely different volume?
• What was Dombrowski hoping to accomplish by contacting Harvest House?
I believe the answers to all of the above questions are obvious. Nevertheless, despite what I believe was an attempt on the part of Dombrowski to silence me. So, here is a whole second issue to be addressed. Why did Dombrowski send a threatening letter to Harvest House? Why would she try to use intimidation in hopes of getting a publishing house to censor an author? What about Freedom of Speech in book publishing? What about freedom of Speech in writing online reviews of other books? Anyone??????
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Conclusion
So far, from my side of the battle lines, I have received emails from Ken Silva’s “Christian” supporters threatening me, condemning me to hell, saying I am definitely not a Christian, and calling me actual obscenities. Is this the fruit of Ken Silva’s ministry and the Online Discernment Ministries (ODMS) in general? God help us all!!!
~ Richard Abanes
We will pray for your repentence and restoration as a brother in Christ. May God have mercy on you.
I have read the ongoing blog roll at CRN between you and some others. For a “respected” journalist and author, you sound an awful lot like my five year old arguing. You cannot even state simply what the offending statement was. So I’ll ask here. What was the offensive piece? Simple question requiring a simple answer.
Bob: For a “respected” journalist and author, you sound an awful lot like my five year old arguing.
ABANES: I applaud your five year old.
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Bob: You cannot even state simply what the offending statement was. So I’ll ask here. What was the offensive piece? Simple question requiring a simple answer.
ABANES: The various offending statements have been sent to those who matter. And the issue has been resolved per ken Silva’s decision, and his decision alone, to pack up his toys and go home.
Richard Abanes
Larry: We will pray for your repentence and restoration as a brother in Christ. May God have mercy on you.
ABANES: Read the above article again, then pray for Lighthouse Trails.
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Richard, I just learned of this today. I must say that I was not aware of either your or Ken Silva’s blogs before today.
I hope you can understand why others of us are alarmed. I did find the cached article in question on Google. I think it might be helpful for the broader audience if you would do a posting and tell us what you thought was libelous. It was my first impression that this was a 3 on a toughness scale of 1-10 of what I’ve seen on the web.
I have no dog in this fight. I am neither a defender nor a critic of Rick Warren. I simply am very concerned about blogging freedom and how blog hosts may respond to legal threats.
Can you help us who know very little about the particulars and the specific players?
Why did it take almost 3 years for you to decide that you had to act on this?
BOB: Why did it take almost 3 years for you to decide that you had to act on this?
RABANES: I have my reasons.
RA
Jim said, on July 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I’ve been reading the intriguing controversy surrounding your argument with Ken Silva on both your’s and Ingrid’s blog. While you have a well, thought out and factual arugment I’ve drawn one conclusion: you whined and got your way.
Really, there is no more to it than that. I wonder what would have happened if the shoe was on the other foot…
(MOVED FROM ANOTHER THREAD)
JIM: you whined and got your way. Really, there is no more to it than that. I wonder what would have happened if the shoe was on the other foot…
ABANES: Actually, TBH, I didn’t get my way AT ALL!! I never wanted Silva’s website removed. That is a spin that Silva and his supporters are using to turn this into some melodramatic storm of unparalleled proportions — much to tehir satisfaction, I am sure. Now they have an excuse to invent all kinds of new scenarios (e.g., I am a liberal – riiiigggghhhht).
R. Abanes
Richard,
There seems to be a lot of people who wish for your demise. “Pray for your repentance” that’s almost laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
The real irony in all of this is you have been accused and likened to a 5 year old but at current count there are 16 articles on the front page at CRN.com about this incident and you. I guess the charge of “leave it alone” only applies when one disagrees with your stance.
Bob: For a “respected” journalist and author, you sound an awful lot like my five year old arguing.
Chris: For an internet troll with no dog in the fight you sure sound a lot like someone just wanting to start a fight.
” you whined and got your way. Really, there is no more to it than that. I wonder what would have happened if the shoe was on the other foot…”
I wonder what would have happened if any of those deriding you for your actions had Ken Silva writing article after article attacking their character?
Richard,
What I think is absurd is the fact that you claim that the offending post contains libelous statements yet I haven’t seen you back that charge up. Instead, what we have here is you complaining that Ken’s three year old post was ‘objectionable’.
As I have already pointed out, you are guilty of posting incorrect and libelous information about me. That is more than objectionable that is out right dishonest. I’ve provided you with the facts (which you conveniently deleted).
Again Richard, prove your case, post your facts. If Ken libeled you then show us the libel. If this is nothing more than you complaining because you found something Ken said to be ‘objectionable’ then your actions are way out of line.
PAUL: I have no dog in this fight. I am neither a defender nor a critic of Rick Warren. I simply am very concerned about blogging freedom and how blog hosts may respond to legal threats. Can you help us who know very little about the particulars and the specific players?
ABANES: Hi Paul. Without getting into a lengthy list of quotes and explanations — which btw have been sent to various persons — let me just say the following. If Ken would have just responded by simply taking down the article, or re-writing it to fall inline with his claim that it was about my theology, then he could have just put it back up. I have repeatedly over the last several days made the following two offers:
The fact is that this article has nothing to do with my biblical interpretations, doctrinal teachings, or spiritual beliefs. No one has yet to find a quote in that article that discusses/critiques such issues. That’s because such things are not discussed in the article. It is a hit piece against my personal/professional integrity, character, and standing within the Christian community. And that is NOT what apologetics/discernment is about. And that my actions pose NO DANGER whatsoever to honest, Christ-centered, biblically sound, factually verifiable critiques of all manner of false teachings and false religions.
This is what Walter Martin was all about — i.e., assessing a person’s theological and doctrinal beliefs. If Ken, or you, or anyone else would like to challenge me on my doctrinal views, then fine. I would be most happy to actually see that kind of critique so that I could test my own faith to see if it is approved by God. Apologetics has taken a nasty turn over the years, diverging from Walter Martin’s model, into the realm of personal attacks and trumped up charges against people. This is not how it should be.
It is high time for all the Online Discernment Ministries to be held truly accountable/responsible for what they say and do under the guise of defending the faith, standing for truth, and correcting error. Their ongoing gnashing of teeth and public rhetoric seems to show that accountability and responsibility for what they say and do is the last thing they want. And they are pulling out all the stops and holding back no punches to try to stop anyone from holding them truly accountable and responsible.
Richard Abanes
CRIS R.: What I think is absurd is the fact that you claim that the offending post contains libelous statements yet I haven’t seen you back that charge up.
ABANES: Sorry, Chris. I’m missing something. Exactly why do I owe you or anyone else this information? It’s been sent to appropriate places. And if you read through several of my responses, it wouldn’t be hard for you, a seminary grad, to figure it out.
What I am most curious about is what you have to say about the above intimidation tactics taken by Lighthouse Trails against my publisher? Any righteous indignation for the Dombrowskis?……… NO, I didn’t think so.
And why are you, a seminary graduate with a higher education, beating up and bullying me, just a poor guys serving the Lord with a high school education? That doesn’t seem very nice or godly, Chris.
Richard Abanes
Richard,
This sword cuts both ways Richard.
Let this comment serve as a legal notice to you.
Unless, you
1. Publicly apologize for falsely claiming that I say that Rick Warren teaches salvation by works.
2. Rescind and apologize for the unfounded and libelous comments that you made about me claiming that I:
A. Have done damage to the body of Christ through the means of “slander, lies, libel, and deceit”
B. That I “spoon feed” lies to my adoring fans.
Then I will seek the fullest legal recourse allowed under U.S. Law.
You have until 12 PM Pacific time on Monday July 28th to comply.
These statements of yours are not only Objectionable, they are libelous and I will no longer idly sit by and allow you to publish these lies about me.
This is no joke. You and your ISP will be hearing from my attorney if you do not comply.
Chris Rosebrough
Chris,
Do what you need to do. I shall review your request. I await an official communication from either your attorney or my ISP. And will be glad to post them online. And respond accordingly. Thank you for showing the world your true colors. I haven’t even spoken to an attorney about Silva. But if you wish to take it to that level, then do so. As I said, I will peruse your attorney’s requests.
R. Abanes
READERS ATTENTION
DUE TO THE LEGAL THREAT OF A LAWSUIT NOW BEING MADE AGAINST ME BY CHRIS ROSEBROUGH FOR REMARKS I MADE IN A “COMMENTS” SECTION ON THIS BLOG, I AM LOCKING THIS THREAD AND, UNFORTUNATELY, CANNOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS OF THOSE WHO WERE STILL SEEKING ANSWERS ABOUT MY PERSPECTIVE REGARDING KEN SILVA AND MY REQUEST TO HIS ISP.
THANK YOU FOR STOPPING BY.
RICHARD ABANES
UPDATE
THIS ISSUE HAS NOW BEEN RESOLVED — SEE RESOLUTION.
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